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Win Free Money!

That's right, there are two prizes on offer: £50,000 and $50,000. These are genuine awards to be wone for the first person to meet the criteria for either.

How to win £50,000

This is a continuation of the previous Continuum award, generously made available by Alex Verney-Elliot, offered to the first person who can demonstrate proof of the isolation of HIV as a distinct, exogenous infectious retrovirus. You may think that would be easy - just talk to your local HIV/AIDS specialist or the Terence Higgins Trust and ask for the references, but there is the problem: There aren't any.

That's the thing. Nowhere in any medical or scientific literature is any evidence that HIV has ever been isolated from any patient, from blood, semen, saliva, urine or breastmilk. You'll soon realise that science has increasingly been playing fast and loose with the meaning of words that we always thought had precise meanings.

You may have been under the mistaken impression that 'isolate' a virus actually mean to separate it and purify a collections of viruses from other biological matter in someone's body. That is not what's been happening though, because despite vast numbers of people allegedly having a 'viral load' of, let's say, 50,000 per ml of blood, scientists have been unable to actually find any whole HIV in their blood, which may seem a bit strange to you. How there be all these viruses in a patient's blood if no-one can find any?

Instead, what they do is take cells from someone they believe has HIV, then put them in a torturous environment with foreign cells and powerful (and stressful) mitogenic chemicals. The cells believed to contain HIV then start producing retroviral particles which are hailed by the scientists as proof of HIV infection.

There are two problems with that approach though. Firstly, experiments that show that happening tend to be rather short on negative controls that don't produce those particles. One of the most basic scientific principles children are taught at school is to have controls that do not contain the factor you believe is relevant to a particular outcome, in order to test whether or not that factor is indeed what makes the difference. What you tend to find with AIDS science is that either they miss out the controls (ie, people believed not to be infected with HIV) or else the controls get the same results.

If the negative controls produce the same results under the same conditions as the cells from people believed to be HIV+, then that indicates it isn't the alleged presence of HIV that makes the difference. And this should be no surprise because for a long time it has been known that cells have a significant proportion of DNA (at least 1%) that can become viral under the right conditions, and that highly stressed cells produce retroviruses.

When they are believed to come from within the cell's original DNA they are called HERV's, or Human Endogenous RetroVirus. When they are believed to come from outside the cell they are called Retroviruses. The only problem is, there appears to be little evidence that exogenous retroviruses actually exist, and it is entirely possible that all expression of retroviruses is simply a behaviour of the cell under extreme stress whose purpose is not yet understood.

It was this awareness of the potential confusion between endogenous and exogenous retroviruses that led to an international symposium at the Pasteur Institute in 1972 to thrash out a method to determine if a particle really was an exogenous retrovirus or not. You probaby won't be surprised to hear that the agreed, robust method was almost immediately abandoned, probably because scientists wanted to find exogenous retroviruses and the robust method was essentially dismissing the idea.

Essentially though, even orthodox experiments have indicated that expression of retroviruses only happens under stress, so retroviruses, whether they are endogenous or exogenous, have already been comprehensively demonstrated to be a symptom of stress, not the cause. This rather undermines the whole notion that HIV is a rampaging infectious virus killing cells left, right and centre.

As for claims of isolation of HIV when there has been no control group at all. Well, that's not science. So if you're going to claim the Continuum award, in memory of Michael Verney-Elliot, You'd better start looking pretty hard for the evidence.

And that is essentially the reason why no HIV tests have ever been validated against HIV, because they can't find HIV to validate the tests against. That's why former HIV test designer, Dr Rodney Richards, has turned against his own invention, when it became clear to him that the test he'd designed was never going to be validated. He currently describes HIV tests as an 'illusion'.

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This award is to encourage an essential part of the scientific process that should have been done long ago, before the claims of HIV being the cause of AIDS or the use of HIV tests on the general public to diagnose people with a biological death sentence. This suggests that the reason they are still not being done all these years later is because they can't be done, which suggests highly that HIV doesn't exist as an exogenous retrovirus and the other, more mundane, causes of the wide variety of illnesses that come under the 'AIDS' brand are being ignored, and that with any HIV to validate the tests against, they are essentially, manifestly, fraudulent.

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0 #4 Johnson Tagarisa 2010-10-26 15:37
Bottom line is, we need answers and the governments should be made to provide us with answers. As long as there are two schools of thought between the experts, governments have no business siding with one school of thought - especially when the accepted theory is proving quite doubtful, and they can not arrest people on the basis of a controvercial theory. We are asking for simple things here, the isolation of the virus and the proof that the virus depletes white cells, proof that it is sexually transmitted and if so why in many cases crosstransmitio n is not occuring.
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-2 #3 Guest 2010-09-05 15:37
I am going to answer these points later next week when I have access to journals, but as for doctors not looking at your research that is bad practice, but in my experience when patients bring their 'own research' what it usually amounts to is that they have read the conclusion of a study, they have no appreciation of the power of the study, the methods of the study and when I start talking about P values and how something isn't statistically significant the patients usually look at you blankly. Its not about being God, its about having been trained to do something and if I handed out a scientific paper to average joe in the street to interpret, I'm sure they could read the conclusion and come up with the same opinion of the person carrying out the study, but as for coming up with their own I very much doubt it. Its not arrogance, if someone handed me a sheet of music, I could appreciate it and try and play a shite version of it, but I am by no means a pianist.
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0 #2 MikeHersee 2010-03-25 09:13
Firstly, it's good to hear that you survived the paradigm for that long, for it's not HIV that would get you, it's the multitude of consequences of the paradigm itself, as you seem to have realised. And you were lucky to have survived the early days of that. Great quote about doctors, a keeper.

Regarding your doctors not even looking at the evidence you took them, that is a common though not universal experience, and it's essentially because they can't answer the points raised. I think most people would naively think doctors would be looking for a cure for something that they believe doesn't currently have one, until you understand more about the relationship between power and truth. For a previous example, read the article here on Scurvy - http://www.heallondon.org/bad-hivaids-science/84-scurvy-versus-aids-ignored-lessons-from-history.html
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+3 #1 Guest 2010-03-25 08:15
20 years of my life stolen .

I took all the research id done to my doctors and they would not even look at it , very strange as they have no cure and YOUD think theyd be clambering for answers.

The only difference between a doctor and God is , God doesnt think he's a doctor !, whomever your God may be !
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